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"List 01" of Spiritual Chats
List & Summary
of Spiritual Chats
- From Dec, 05 To Dec, O4 -
Between the Children of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.)

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BawaBismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim.  In the name of God, the Most Mercful, the Most Compassionate.  Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu.  Wa-alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon us all.  May God help us all.

Bawa.  My love you (anbu), my dearest loving brothers and sisters - Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler). 

Bawa.  Here is "List 01 of Spiritual Chats" for your review and consideration, and hopefully, for your reading and sharing enjoyment.

Bawa.  In addition to a "List of Spiritual Chats" we have also included, in this on-line document, "Spiritual Chat Details" on each Spiritual Chat listed, as it becomes available, as well as an "On-line Pointer", or "Link" to an on-line version of the "Text of each Spiritual Chat", also, as it becomes available on-line.

Bawa.  The "Spiritual Chat Details" include both "Summary" information on each Spiritual Chat Listed, such as "Who Chatted", the "Date of the Chat", and the "Title" we have given the Chat.  Also, we have included as part of the "Spiritual Chat Details"
a brief description of the
"Major Wisdom" point, or points, revealed by God within us, to the Children of God for our age, as a result of this beautiful "Coming Together" in the "Name of God" for our age.

Bawa.  For in truth, as Jesus (peace be upon Him) told us over 2000 years ago, and now in our age, as our dear Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within us, and as God within Him, teach us also in our age, and now on the "outside" of us, as His Children are teaching us right now, in this "Introduction", and in each of these Spiritual Chats, 

          "If two of you come together in My Name, I will be there."

Bawa.  Which in truth for our age, if we like, is the Name of our dear Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within us, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of us, if we like, is the Name of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth us the Name of each of us living in this age, if we like, that is, if the true intention for our life within us, for our soul life, is to again become "One with" God within us, before we die to the flesh.  Amen.

Bawa.  For the Choice to do this, or not, with our life within us, is our Choice, not Gods, the Choice to do this with our soul life, which in our current state is now crucified on the cross of our elemental body, as Jesus (peace be upon Him) within us, just waiting for us to allow our wisdom within us, to allow the wisdom surrounding our soul, to awaken within us, so it can do battle with the "Enemy of our soul", which in truth is our current life of sin on the "outside" of us, with us living on the "outside" of us, in our ignorance, and in our arrogance about our ignorance, as if we are "separate from" God within us, as if we are "separate from" each other, and as if we are "separate from" the Creation of God within us, all of which is not true.

Bawa.  In this way, with "us" keeping Jesus (peace be upon Him) within us crucified with the 5 nails of "our desire" to live on the "outside" of us, so we can sin, that is, so we can continue trying to live a life of "separation and differences", a life of selfishness, a life of arrogance, karma, and illusion, and of mind and desire, on the "outside" of us, until we die to the flesh, until we physcally die to the "outside" of us,
then getting
an eternal hell within us as our reward, which in truth is what in our current state we call and think about as heaven, but which in truth becomes our hell within us, when we gradually realize what we have done with the "Gift of God" within us, that God has personaly and ever so lovingly placed within us, keeping it "separate from" God within us.

Bawa.  For as our dear Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen
(may God be pleased with Him) within us, and God within Him, teach us for our age, and now on the "outside" of us, as
His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us) are teaching us right now.

Bawa.  Teaching us right now in this "Introduction" to "List 01 of Spiritual Chats", in this "Summary of Spiritual Chats", and in each of these "Spiritual Chats" (www.SpiritualChats.homestead.com) in "List 01", and in all of the "Spiritual Letters" (www.SpiritualLetters.homesteaed.com) that are also a part of this "On-line Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Library (www.Bawa.homestead.com).

Bawa.  That are teaching us right now the following:

          "The Justice of God is uthat whatever we intend is what we will receive."

And:

          "Hell is simple the realization that we have separated ourselves from God."

Bawa.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon us all.  May God help us all.

Bawa.  My dearest loving brothers and sisters, may we all come to realize this "truth of us", and this truth of "God within us", before we die to the flesh, that is, before it is too late to do anything about the mistakes that we have made, that is, about our ignorance, and about our arrogance about our ignorance, which in truth is only leading us to an eternal hell within us, no matter what we may choose in our ignorance to call it, either heaven or nearness to God, for in truth all of it is only keeping us living as if
we are "separate from" God within us,
as if we are "separate from" each other, and as
if
we are "separate from" the Creation of God within us, all of which is just not true.

Bawa.   All of it is only keeping us focused on the "outside" of us, and on "working for wages" in order to get into some illusory heaven on another "outside" of us, after we die to the current illusory "outside" of us, but all of which in the end will only cause us to become very disappointed, when we actually experience in the end the true fruits of our labor.

Bawa.   That is only leading us to an eternal life as "separate from" God within us, for if we continue to live on the "outside" of us, as if we are "separation from" God within us, no matter what, no matter what God tries to tell us, over and over again, and tries to show to us to the contrary, that in truth "We are all One" within us, then in the end what can God do with us, what can God do when it is all over, when the current illusory "outside" of us is gone, but give us exactly what we want, but give us exactly
what we have told God
, over and over again, that we want for eternity, not so much with our words, but by our actions, by the way that we have truly lived our life in the world, which in truth in our current state, is an eternal life as "separate from" God within us.   Amen.

Bawa.  My dearest loving brothers and sisters, may we all think about these truths a little, as it is very, very important, and none of us have much time left, to truly "get it right" before it is over, before it is over for each of us, and over for all of us, which is quickly coming to pass in our age.  Something to at least think about, a little, Yes?

Bawa.  My love you (anbu), my dearest loving brothers and sisters - Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler).

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"List 01" of Spiritual Chats - From Dec, 05 To Dec, O4 ----------------(STATUS)
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About - Summary of Spiritual Chats

1.  Spiritual Chat 238 ---- "Who Are We Working With, Either With God
                                                     Or With What God Has Discarded?
          1-a. Text of Spiritual Chat 238 ---------------------------------------------------- (In Process)
                    (www.SpiritualChat238.homestead.com)
          1-b.  Summary of Spiritual Chat 238 -------------------------------------------- (Available)

2.  Spiritual Chat 237 ---- "Getting God To Harvest Us, Before The Other Side Does,
                                                   Because In Truth, In The End, One Or The Other Will Do It"
          2-a.  Text of Spiritual Chat 237 ---------------------------------------------------- (In Process)
                    (www.SpiritualChat237.homestead.com)
          2-b.  Summary of Spiritual Chat 237 -------------------------------------------- (Available)

3.  Spiritual Chat 236

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About - Summary of Spiritual Chats

Bawa.  The following information about each "Spiritual Chat" is provided in each
"
Summary of Spiritual Chats":

a)  Chat Number, like "Spiritual Chat 238"
b)  Web Address or URL for the on-line Web Page of the "Text of the Chat"
c)  Chat Between, like Ummul Khair Muhaiyaddeen and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen
d)  Date of Chat, like 11-28-05
e)  Title of Chat, that we gave to the Chat, suggesting the "Major Wisdom
          Point" of the Chat, that came out during the Chat, like, "Who Are We Working
          With, Either With God Or With What God Has Discarded?"
f)  Date Chat Posted On-line, which is either a date, like 12-19-05, which means the
          "Text of the Chat" is now available on-line, as of that date, as its own Web Page,
          using the URL or Web Address listed above, following the "Chat Number" above,
          or the phrase (In process), meaning that we are in the process of posting it, so
          come back later, if you like, to see if it is available, realizing that our goal is to
          make the "Text of the Spiritual Chat" of all 238 of the current Spiritual Chats in
          "List 01" available on-line, as soon as possible, as they contain a wonderful
          "Wealth of clarity" about the "Path of God" within us, that we are all trying to
          Witness within ourselves, if we like, and about the many "Traps" that we need to
          avoid along the way, in partnership with God within us all, that is, if we are wise
g)  Wisdom Point(s), which is a summary of the "Major Wisdom Point" or points that
          have been revealed to the Children of God for our age, by God within us all, as a
          result of this "Coming Together" in His Name, in the Name of God for our age,
          which for our age, is the Name of our dear Father, Shaikh Mahammad Rahim
          Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within us, and of God
          within Him, and now on the "outside" of us, is the Name of His Children (may
          God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is the Name of each of Us living
          in this age, if we like, that is, if the true intention for the life within us, for our soul
          life, is to again become "One with" God within us, but this time with an
          understanding of our "Oneness", so it will never leave us again.  Amen.

Bawa.  To access the "Text of the Chat", please click on a "Chat Number" below, like on "Spiritual Chat 238" below.  Also, we have provided the URL or Web Address for accessing on-line the "Text of the Chat" immediately following the "Chat Number", keeping in mind that they all have the same format.

Bawa.  For example, like (www.SpiritualChat238.homestead.com), with only the "Chat "Number" changing, like from 238 to 237, which you can type into the Address Field of your "Web Browser", if you like, to go directly to the on-line version of the "Text of the Chat" that you selected, that is, as it becomes available on line. 

Bawa.  If the on-line version of the "Text of the Chat" is available on-line we place the date it became available on-line in the "Date "Text of Chat" Posted On-line" field, like 12-19-05, and if it is not yet available on-line then we indicate this by placing the words "(In process)" in that field, as well as in the "Status" field in the "List 01 of Spiritual Chats" main menu.  Click HERE to go there right now, to see this, if you like.

Bawa.  In this way, most of the "Wisdom Chats" in "List 01" are "In process", which means that the "Text of the Chat" is finished and available but we have not yet made that same "Text" available "On-line".  Therefore, if you would like an E-mail version of one or more of the "Text of the Chat", before it becomes available on-line, please contact us, and we will gladly E-mail you a copy. To do this, please contact any of us below using the following E-mail addresses, and provide us with the following information about the Spiritual Chat that you want. 

Bawa.  Just give us the "Chat Number", like "Spiritual Chat 80", the "Chat Date", like 11-28-05, and a short version of the "Chat Title", like "Who Are We Working With, Either With God Or With What God Has Discarded?", and we will E-mail you a copy. Ok?

a)  Ummul Khair Muhaiyaddeen (Rumi Smith) (Rumi is not available until 2/1/06,
          and then she is available for her Chats with Louie)
          Rumismith@aol.com
b)  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) (Curtis is available for
          his Chats with Louie)
          cwahlgren@drexel.edu
c)  Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (LouieBeutler) (Louie is available for all Chats in List 01)
          Muhaiyaddeen786@aol.com

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1.  Summary of "Spiritual Chat 238":  Click HERE to go to "Text of Spiritual Chat 238" (www.SpiritualChat238.homestead.com)

Chat Between:  Ummul Khair Muhaiyaddeen and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen
Date of Chat:  11-28-05
Title of Chat:  "Who Are We Working With, Either With God Or With What God Has Discarded?
Date "Text of Chat" Posted On-line:  (In process)

Wisdom Point(s):

Bawa.  For "Who we are working with, when we do work in the world?  This is the most important question to always ask, not just, "What are we doing?", and this is true whether it be in our prayers, or in our worldly duty, for in truth, who we are always working with, is either, with God within us, or with what God has discarded within us, for in truth, whether we realize it or not, these are always our only two options.

Bawa.  For everything that we currently see in our ignorance, and in our arrogance about our ignorance, on the "outside" of us, that is through our mind and desire, is really within us, is really what God has discarded from within Himself, in order to become God within us, which God will gladly do again, but this time within us, within our heart, if we know how to properly ask Him, which is as "One with" Him, before we die to the flesh.  Amen.

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2.  Summary of "Spiritual Chat 237":  Click HERE to go to "Text of Spiritual Chat 237" (www.SpiritualChat237.homestead.com

Chat Between:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen
Date of Chat: 11-26-05
Title of Chat:  "Getting God To Harvest Us, Before The Other Side Does, Because In Truth, In the End, One Or The Other Will Do It"
Date "Text of Chat" Posted On-line:  (In process)

Wisdom Point(s):

Bawa.  We are always in truth someone else's crop, either the crop of the current inside of us, or the crop of what is within God within us, and the Choice is always ours, not God's within us, with "us" becoming either the crop of what in our ignorance, and in our arrogance about our ignorance, that we have grown within ourselves, or the crop of God within us.

Bawa.  That is, either the crop of the current "within" us, which in our ignorance we only see as the illusory "outside" of us, but which in truth is really within us, as the lives of darkness and evil, that in our ignorance we have let grow within us, like weeds in God's Beautiful Flower Garden within us, weeds that now rule over us as the 9 openings of our elemental body, with "God's Permission", or the crop of what should be the "within" us, which is what is within God within us.

Bawa.  For in truth "who we are" is "what is within us", as God within us is "what is within Him", and True Man within God within us, is "what is within Him", and as such "We are all One", if we like, for the Choice is ours, not God's.

Bawa.  That is, the Creation of God within us, "us" as the "Seed of God" buried within the Creation of God within us, God within us as the "Seed of True Man" within the "Seed of God" within the Creation of God within us, and True Man within God within us, as again the "Seed of God" within the "Fruit of God" within us, are all "One", that is, if we like, if we so Choose.

Bawa.  In this way, and in this way only, with True Man within God within us becoming what transcends all of this within us, if we like, if we so Choose, becoming again the "Power within the Essence of Everything" within us, but this time in maturity as the "Sweet Taste" of the "Fruit of God" within us, this time as the understanding of that "Power" which is God within us, so it will never leave us again.

Bawa.  And if necessary, that "Mature Fruit" of God within us will also contain the "Seed of us", as again the "Everything" within with the "Power within the Essence of Everything", as that which is still "separate from" God within us, as that which still refuses to give up its "separation" from God within us, no matter what, no matter what God tries to tell them, and to show them, over and over again, to the contrary, that in truth "God is One", no matter what, like these beautiful Spiritual Letters and Spiritual Chats between His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us).  Amen.

Bawa.  For if after the telling and bringing to Completion of the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within us, if anything is still left over, if anything is still "separate from" God within us, that is, if there is still a single "Child left behind", then this Story must be told again, to try and bring that Child back into God, for in truth there is "nothing other than God" within us, and anything left behind is in truth what is still "separating God" from Himself.

Bawa.  As the apple seed buried within the earth in truth is the "seed of something else", is "what is within it", is the "apple tree happening" within the earth, and the apple tree hidden within it, is in truth the "seed of something else", is "what is within it", is the "apple fruit happening", within the "apple tree happening" within the earth, and the apple fruit is also, "what is within it", which is the sweet taste of the apple, and if necessary, again the apple seed, but this time a 1000 fold.  Amen.

Bawa.  But this time, O God, may there be "No Child left behind", this time, after this telling and bringing to Completion of "Our Story", of the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within us, may there be no need for another "Seed of us".

Bawa.  But this time, O God, when it is all over, this time, may there only be the "Mature Fruit of You" with no "seed of us", this time, O God, may there be nothing still "separate from" You, this time, O God, may there be only the "Sweet Taste" of You, but this time, "Within Us", within "Us" for Eternity.

Amen. Amen, Ya Rabil Alameen.  Amen, Amen, Ya Rahman Alameen, Amen, Amen, Ya Rahim Alameen.  Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.  Amen.

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3.  Summary of "Spiritual Chat 236":  Click HERE to go to "Text of Spiritual Chat 236" (www.SpiritualChat236.homestead.com)

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